diff --git a/eventBindings.go b/eventBindings.go
index e17d9b6..eaec4d1 100644
--- a/eventBindings.go
+++ b/eventBindings.go
@@ -4,7 +4,6 @@
 package main
 
 import (
-	"fmt"
 	"syscall"
 
 	"github.com/awesome-gocui/gocui"
@@ -37,8 +36,13 @@ func registerHandlers(g *gocui.Gui) {
 	g.SetKeybinding("", 'D', gocui.ModNone, theDarkness)              // 'D' toggles light/dark mode
 	g.SetKeybinding("", 'q', gocui.ModNone, doExit)                   // 'q' exit
 	g.SetKeybinding("", gocui.KeyTab, gocui.ModNone, tabCycleWindows) // '2' use this to test new ideas
-	g.SetKeybinding("", gocui.KeyPgup, gocui.ModNone, stdoutPgup)     // Pgup scroll up the Stdout buffer
-	g.SetKeybinding("", gocui.KeyPgdn, gocui.ModNone, stdoutPgdn)     // Pgdn scroll down the Stdout buffer
+
+	// stdout keys
+	g.SetKeybinding("", gocui.KeyPgup, gocui.ModNone, stdoutPgup)           // Pgup scroll up the Stdout buffer
+	g.SetKeybinding("", gocui.KeyPgdn, gocui.ModNone, stdoutPgdn)           // Pgdn scroll down the Stdout buffer
+	g.SetKeybinding("", gocui.KeyHome, gocui.ModNone, stdoutHome)           // Pgdn scroll down the Stdout buffer
+	g.SetKeybinding("", gocui.KeyArrowUp, gocui.ModNone, stdoutArrowUp)     // Pgdn scroll down the Stdout buffer
+	g.SetKeybinding("", gocui.KeyArrowDown, gocui.ModNone, stdoutArrowDown) // Pgdn scroll down the Stdout buffer
 
 	// debugging
 	g.SetKeybinding("", '2', gocui.ModNone, theNotsure)            // '2' use this to test new ideas
@@ -92,24 +96,6 @@ func theDarkness(g *gocui.Gui, v *gocui.View) error {
 	return nil
 }
 
-func stdoutPgup(g *gocui.Gui, v *gocui.View) error {
-	me.stdout.pager -= 40
-	if me.stdout.pager < 0 {
-		me.stdout.pager = 0
-	}
-	tk := me.stdout.tk
-	tk.refreshStdout()
-	return nil
-}
-
-func stdoutPgdn(g *gocui.Gui, v *gocui.View) error {
-	me.stdout.pager += 10
-
-	tk := me.stdout.tk
-	tk.refreshStdout()
-	return nil
-}
-
 func wheelsUp(g *gocui.Gui, v *gocui.View) error {
 	log.Info("private wheels up")
 	return nil
@@ -139,32 +125,6 @@ func tabCycleWindows(g *gocui.Gui, v *gocui.View) error {
 	return nil
 }
 
-func theStdout(g *gocui.Gui, v *gocui.View) error {
-	me.stdout.pager = 0
-	if me.stdout.outputOnTop {
-		if me.stdout.outputOffscreen {
-			me.stdout.outputOffscreen = false
-			log.Info(fmt.Sprintf("stdout moved off screen pager=%d len(%d)", me.stdout.pager, len(me.stdout.outputS)))
-			relocateStdoutOffscreen()
-			return nil
-		} else {
-			me.stdout.outputOffscreen = true
-			log.Info(fmt.Sprintf("stdout moved on screen pager=%d len(%d)", me.stdout.pager, len(me.stdout.outputS)))
-		}
-		// move the stdout window back onscreen
-		me.stdout.tk.relocateStdout(me.stdout.lastW, me.stdout.lastH)
-		me.stdout.outputOnTop = false
-		setThingsOnTop()
-		// me.baseGui.SetViewOnBottom("msg")
-		// setBottomBG()
-	} else {
-		me.stdout.outputOnTop = true
-		setThingsOnTop()
-		// me.baseGui.SetViewOnTop("msg")
-	}
-	return nil
-}
-
 func theShow(g *gocui.Gui, v *gocui.View) error {
 	var w *guiWidget
 	w = me.treeRoot.TK.(*guiWidget)
diff --git a/eventBindingsStdout.go b/eventBindingsStdout.go
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..1347c5c
--- /dev/null
+++ b/eventBindingsStdout.go
@@ -0,0 +1,78 @@
+// Copyright 2017-2025 WIT.COM Inc. All rights reserved.
+// Use of this source code is governed by the GPL 3.0
+
+package main
+
+import (
+	"fmt"
+
+	"github.com/awesome-gocui/gocui"
+	"go.wit.com/log"
+)
+
+func theStdout(g *gocui.Gui, v *gocui.View) error {
+	// me.stdout.pager = 0
+	infos := fmt.Sprintf("stdout moved off screen pager=%d len(%d) ", me.stdout.pager, len(me.stdout.outputS))
+	infos += fmt.Sprintf("last(%d,%d)", me.stdout.lastW, me.stdout.lastH)
+
+	if me.stdout.outputOnTop {
+		if me.stdout.outputOffscreen {
+			me.stdout.outputOffscreen = false
+			log.Info("stdout moved off screen", infos)
+			me.stdout.lastW = me.stdout.tk.gocuiSize.w0
+			me.stdout.lastH = me.stdout.tk.gocuiSize.h0
+			relocateStdoutOffscreen()
+			return nil
+		} else {
+			me.stdout.outputOffscreen = true
+			log.Info("stdout moved on screen", infos)
+		}
+		// move the stdout window back onscreen
+		me.stdout.tk.relocateStdout(me.stdout.lastW, me.stdout.lastH)
+		me.stdout.outputOnTop = false
+		setThingsOnTop()
+		// me.baseGui.SetViewOnBottom("msg")
+		// setBottomBG()
+	} else {
+		me.stdout.outputOnTop = true
+		setThingsOnTop()
+		// me.baseGui.SetViewOnTop("msg")
+	}
+	return nil
+}
+
+func stdoutPgup(g *gocui.Gui, v *gocui.View) error {
+	me.stdout.pager -= 40
+	if me.stdout.pager < 0 {
+		me.stdout.pager = 0
+	}
+	tk := me.stdout.tk
+	tk.refreshStdout()
+	return nil
+}
+
+func stdoutHome(g *gocui.Gui, v *gocui.View) error {
+	me.stdout.pager = 0
+	me.stdout.tk.refreshStdout()
+	return nil
+}
+
+func stdoutArrowUp(g *gocui.Gui, v *gocui.View) error {
+	me.stdout.pager += 1
+	me.stdout.tk.refreshStdout()
+	return nil
+}
+
+func stdoutArrowDown(g *gocui.Gui, v *gocui.View) error {
+	me.stdout.pager -= 1
+	me.stdout.tk.refreshStdout()
+	return nil
+}
+
+func stdoutPgdn(g *gocui.Gui, v *gocui.View) error {
+	me.stdout.pager += 10
+
+	tk := me.stdout.tk
+	tk.refreshStdout()
+	return nil
+}
diff --git a/size.go b/size.go
index 064d2ae..47af74d 100644
--- a/size.go
+++ b/size.go
@@ -76,7 +76,7 @@ func (tk *guiWidget) Size() (int, int) {
 	case widget.Label:
 		return len(tk.String()) + 2, 1
 	case widget.Textbox:
-		return len(tk.String()) + 2, 3 // TODO: compute this based on 'window dense'
+		return len(tk.String()) + 10, 3 // TODO: compute this based on 'window dense'
 	case widget.Checkbox:
 		return len(tk.String()) + 2, 3 // TODO: compute this based on 'window dense'
 	}
@@ -341,9 +341,13 @@ func (tk *guiWidget) getFullSize() rectType {
 	// the full size is exactly what gocui uses
 	switch tk.node.WidgetType {
 	case widget.Label:
-		return tk.buttonFullSize()
+		r := tk.buttonFullSize()
+		r.w1 += 5
+		return r
 	case widget.Button:
-		return tk.buttonFullSize()
+		r := tk.buttonFullSize()
+		r.w1 += 5
+		return r
 	case widget.Checkbox:
 		return tk.buttonFullSize()
 	case widget.Dropdown:
diff --git a/stdoutShow.go b/stdoutShow.go
index b8767ac..f74bf80 100644
--- a/stdoutShow.go
+++ b/stdoutShow.go
@@ -179,7 +179,7 @@ func (w *guiWidget) Write(p []byte) (n int, err error) {
 // lets the user page up and down through the stdout buffer
 func (tk *guiWidget) refreshStdout() {
 	if len(me.stdout.outputS) < me.stdout.h+me.stdout.pager {
-		log.Info(fmt.Sprintf("buffer too small=%d len(%d)", me.stdout.pager, len(me.stdout.outputS)))
+		// log.Info(fmt.Sprintf("buffer too small=%d len(%d)", me.stdout.pager, len(me.stdout.outputS)))
 		return
 	}