diff --git a/toolkit/gocui/click.go b/toolkit/gocui/click.go
index 3b5ba09..1ce25a4 100644
--- a/toolkit/gocui/click.go
+++ b/toolkit/gocui/click.go
@@ -13,7 +13,7 @@ import (
 func (w *cuiWidget) doWidgetClick() {
 	switch w.widgetType {
 	case toolkit.Root:
-		me.rootNode.logicalSize.w1 = 1
+		// me.rootNode.logicalSize.w1 = 1
 		me.rootNode.redoTabs(true)
 	case toolkit.Flag:
 		me.rootNode.redoColor(true)
@@ -43,9 +43,9 @@ func (w *cuiWidget) doWidgetClick() {
 	case toolkit.Box:
 		// w.showWidgetPlacement(logNow, "drawTree()")
 		if (w.horizontal) {
-			log("BOX IS HORIZONTAL", w.nextW, w.nextH, w.name)
+			log("BOX IS HORIZONTAL", w.name)
 		} else {
-			log("BOX IS VERTICAL", w.nextW, w.nextH, w.name)
+			log("BOX IS VERTICAL", w.name)
 		}
 		w.redoBox(true)
 		w.toggleTree()
@@ -164,11 +164,10 @@ func ctrlDown(g *gocui.Gui, v *gocui.View) error {
 	if (found == nil) {
 		found = me.rootNode
 	}
-	found.updateLogicalSizes()
-	me.ctrlDown.gocuiSize.w0 = found.logicalSize.w0
-	me.ctrlDown.gocuiSize.w1 = found.logicalSize.w1
-	me.ctrlDown.gocuiSize.h0 = found.logicalSize.h0
-	me.ctrlDown.gocuiSize.h1 = found.logicalSize.h1
+	me.ctrlDown.gocuiSize.startW = found.gocuiSize.startW
+	me.ctrlDown.gocuiSize.startH = found.gocuiSize.startH
+	me.ctrlDown.gocuiSize.width =  found.gocuiSize.startW
+	me.ctrlDown.gocuiSize.height = found.gocuiSize.startH
 
 	if (me.ctrlDown.v == nil) {
 		me.ctrlDown.text = found.text
diff --git a/toolkit/gocui/debug.go b/toolkit/gocui/debug.go
index 8fef722..30f1822 100644
--- a/toolkit/gocui/debug.go
+++ b/toolkit/gocui/debug.go
@@ -55,23 +55,6 @@ func (w *cuiWidget) showWidgetPlacement(b bool, s string) {
 	case toolkit.Grid:
 		s1 += fmt.Sprintf("next()=(%2d,%2d)", w.nextW, w.nextH)
 	default:
-	//	s1 += fmt.Sprintf("L()=(%2d,%2d,%2d,%2d)",
-	//		w.logicalSize.w0, w.logicalSize.h0, w.logicalSize.w1, w.logicalSize.h1)
 	}
 	log(b, s1, s, w.widgetType, ",", w.name) // , "text=", w.text)
-
-	/*
-	if (w.realWidth != (w.gocuiSize.w1 - w.gocuiSize.w0)) {
-		log(b, "dump()", s,
-			"badsize()=(", w.realWidth, ",", w.realHeight, ")",
-			"badreal()=(", w.gocuiSize.w0, ",", w.gocuiSize.h0, ",", w.gocuiSize.w1, ",", w.gocuiSize.h1, ")",
-			w.widgetType, ",", w.name)
-	}
-	if (w.realHeight != (w.gocuiSize.h1 - w.gocuiSize.h0)) {
-		log(b, "dump()", s,
-			"badsize()=(", w.realWidth, ",", w.realHeight, ")",
-			"badreal()=(", w.gocuiSize.w0, ",", w.gocuiSize.h0, ",", w.gocuiSize.w1, ",", w.gocuiSize.h1, ")",
-			w.widgetType, ",", w.name)
-	}
-	*/
 }
diff --git a/toolkit/gocui/logical.go b/toolkit/gocui/logical.go
deleted file mode 100644
index c3964fb..0000000
--- a/toolkit/gocui/logical.go
+++ /dev/null
@@ -1,75 +0,0 @@
-package main
-
-import (
-	// "git.wit.org/wit/gui/toolkit"
-)
-
-var adjusted bool = false
-
-/*
-// expands the logical size of the parents
-func (w *cuiWidget) setParentLogical() {
-	p := w.parent
-	if (w.isFake) {
-		// expand the parent logicalsize to include the widget logicalsize
-		if (p.logicalSize.w0 > w.logicalSize.w0) {
-			p.logicalSize.w0 = w.logicalSize.w0
-			adjusted = true
-		}
-		if (p.logicalSize.h0 > w.logicalSize.h0) {
-			p.logicalSize.h0 = w.logicalSize.h0
-			adjusted = true
-		}
-		if (p.logicalSize.w1 < w.logicalSize.w1) {
-			p.logicalSize.w1 = w.logicalSize.w1
-			adjusted = true
-		}
-		if (p.logicalSize.h1 < w.logicalSize.h1) {
-			p.logicalSize.h1 = w.logicalSize.h1
-			adjusted = true
-		}
-	} else {
-		// expand the parent logicalsize to include the widget realSize
-		if (p.logicalSize.w0 > w.realSize.w0) {
-			p.logicalSize.w0 = w.realSize.w0
-			adjusted = true
-		}
-		if (p.logicalSize.h0 > w.realSize.h0) {
-			p.logicalSize.h0 = w.realSize.h0
-			adjusted = true
-		}
-		if (p.logicalSize.w1 < w.realSize.w1) {
-			p.logicalSize.w1 = w.realSize.w1
-			adjusted = true
-		}
-		if (p.logicalSize.h1 < w.realSize.h1) {
-			p.logicalSize.h1 = w.realSize.h1
-			adjusted = true
-		}
-	}
-	if (! w.isFake) {
-		// adjust the widget realSize to the top left corner of the logicalsize
-		if (w.logicalSize.w0 > w.realSize.w0) {
-			w.realSize.w0 = w.logicalSize.w0
-			w.realSize.w1 = w.realSize.w0 + w.realWidth
-			adjusted = true
-		}
-		if (w.logicalSize.h0 > w.realSize.h0) {
-			w.realSize.h0 = w.logicalSize.h0
-			w.realSize.h1 = w.realSize.h0 + w.realHeight
-			adjusted = true
-		}
-	}
-	w.showWidgetPlacement(logNow, "setParentLogical() widget")
-	p.showWidgetPlacement(logNow, "setParentLogical() parent")
-	if (w.id == 0) || (p.id == 0) {
-		// stop resizing when you hit the root widget
-		return
-	}
-	// pass the logical resizing up
-	pP := w.parent
-	if (pP != nil) {
-		pP.setParentLogical()
-	}
-}
-*/
diff --git a/toolkit/gocui/place.go b/toolkit/gocui/place.go
index 2d0967d..dbee72f 100644
--- a/toolkit/gocui/place.go
+++ b/toolkit/gocui/place.go
@@ -30,26 +30,6 @@ func (w *cuiWidget) setFake() {
 	w.showWidgetPlacement(logNow, "setFake()")
 }
 
-func findPlace(w *cuiWidget) {
-	w.isFake = false
-	switch w.widgetType {
-	case toolkit.Root:
-		w.isFake = true
-		w.setFake()
-	case toolkit.Flag:
-		w.isFake = true
-		w.setFake()
-	case toolkit.Grid:
-		w.isFake = true
-		w.setFake()
-	case toolkit.Box:
-		w.isFake = true
-		w.setFake()
-	default:
-		// w.redoBox(true)
-	}
-}
-
 // find the start (w,h) for child a inside a box widget
 func (w *cuiWidget) getBoxWH() {
 	p := w.parent // the parent must be a box widget
@@ -146,11 +126,6 @@ func (w *cuiWidget) redoBox(draw bool) {
 		w.nextH = p.nextH
 		w.gridBounds()
 	case toolkit.Box:
-		w.logicalSize.w0 = p.nextW
-		w.logicalSize.h0 = p.nextH
-		w.logicalSize.w1 = p.nextW
-		w.logicalSize.h1 = p.nextH
-
 		w.nextW = p.nextW
 		w.nextH = p.nextH
 		for _, child := range w.children {
@@ -201,31 +176,20 @@ func (w *cuiWidget) setWH() {
 	w.gocuiSize.h0 = w.gocuiSize.startH
 	w.gocuiSize.w1 = w.gocuiSize.w0 + w.gocuiSize.width
 	w.gocuiSize.h1 = w.gocuiSize.h0 + w.gocuiSize.height
-
-	w.logicalSize.w0 = w.gocuiSize.w0
-	w.logicalSize.h0 = w.gocuiSize.h0
-	w.logicalSize.w1 = w.gocuiSize.w1
-	w.logicalSize.h1 = w.gocuiSize.h1
 }
 
 func (w *cuiWidget) moveTo(leftW int, topH int) {
 	if (w.isFake) {
-		// don't ever move these
-	} else {
-		w.gocuiSize.w0 = leftW
-		w.gocuiSize.h0 = topH 
+		return
 	}
-	w.gocuiSize.w1 = w.gocuiSize.w0 + w.realWidth
-	w.gocuiSize.h1 = w.gocuiSize.h0 + w.realHeight
-
-	w.logicalSize.w0 = w.gocuiSize.w0
-	w.logicalSize.h0 = w.gocuiSize.h0
-	w.logicalSize.w1 = w.gocuiSize.w1
-	w.logicalSize.h1 = w.gocuiSize.h1
+	w.gocuiSize.startW = leftW
+	w.gocuiSize.startH = topH
 
+	w.setWH()
 	w.showWidgetPlacement(logNow, "moveTo()")
 }
 
+/*
 func (w *cuiWidget) updateLogicalSizes() {
 	for _, child := range w.children {
 		// if (w.isReal)
@@ -244,21 +208,12 @@ func (w *cuiWidget) updateLogicalSizes() {
 		}
 	}
 }
+*/
 
 func (w *cuiWidget) gridBounds() {
 	w.showWidgetPlacement(logNow, "gridBounds:")
 	p := w.parent
 
-	/*
-	for a := 0; a < w.x; a++ {
-		for b := 0; b < w.y; b++ {
-			log(logNow, "gridBounds() (w,h)", a, b,
-				"logical(W,H)", w.widths[a], w.heights[b],
-				"p.next(W,H)", p.nextW, p.nextH)
-		}
-		log("\n")
-	}
-	*/
 	var wCount int = 0
 	var hCount int = 0
 	for _, child := range w.children {
diff --git a/toolkit/gocui/plugin.go b/toolkit/gocui/plugin.go
index 120d14b..52cd5dc 100644
--- a/toolkit/gocui/plugin.go
+++ b/toolkit/gocui/plugin.go
@@ -20,44 +20,84 @@ func (w *cuiWidget) setStartWH() {
 		w.isFake = true
 		w.setFake()
 		w.showWidgetPlacement(logNow, "StartWH:")
+		w.drawView()
 		return
 	case toolkit.Flag:
 		w.isFake = true
 		w.setFake()
 		w.showWidgetPlacement(logNow, "StartWH:")
+		w.drawView()
 		return
 	case toolkit.Window:
 		w.setTabWH()
 		w.showWidgetPlacement(logNow, "StartWH:")
+		w.drawView()
 		return
 	case toolkit.Tab:
 		w.setTabWH()
 		w.showWidgetPlacement(logNow, "StartWH:")
+		w.drawView()
 		return
 	case toolkit.Box:
 		w.isFake = true
 		w.setFake()
-		w.getBoxWH()
-		w.setWH()
+		w.startW = w.parent.startW
+		w.startH = w.parent.startH
 		w.showWidgetPlacement(logNow, "StartWH:")
+		w.drawView()
 		return
 	case toolkit.Grid:
 		w.isFake = true
 		w.setFake()
-		w.getGridWH()
-		w.setWH()
+		w.startW = w.parent.startW
+		w.startH = w.parent.startH
 		w.showWidgetPlacement(logNow, "StartWH:")
+		w.drawView()
 		return
 	case toolkit.Group:
-		w.getGroupWH()
+		w.startW = w.parent.startW + 4
+		w.startH = w.parent.startH + 3
+
+		t := len(w.text)
+		w.gocuiSize.width = t + me.buttonPadding
+		w.gocuiSize.height = me.defaultHeight
+		w.gocuiSize.startW = w.startW
+		w.gocuiSize.startH = w.startH
+
 		w.setWH()
 		w.showWidgetPlacement(logNow, "StartWH:")
+		w.drawView()
 		return
 	default:
+		w.startW = w.parent.startW
+		w.startH = w.parent.startH
 		w.setWH()
 	}
 }
 
+/*
+func (w *cuiWidget) setStartFromParent() {
+	p := w.parent
+	switch p.widgetType {
+	case toolkit.Box:
+		w.getBoxWH()
+	case toolkit.Group:
+		w.getGroupWH()
+	case toolkit.Grid:
+		w.getGridWH()
+	default:
+		w.gocuiSize.startW = p.startW
+		w.gocuiSize.startH = p.startH
+	}
+	w.gocuiSize.startW = w.startW
+	w.gocuiSize.startH = w.startH
+
+	w.startW = w.gocuiSize.startW
+	w.startH = w.gocuiSize.startH
+	w.showWidgetPlacement(logNow, "sSFP:")
+}
+*/
+
 func Action(a *toolkit.Action) {
 	log(logInfo, "Action() START", a.WidgetId, a.ActionType, a.WidgetType, a.Name)
 	w := findWidget(a.WidgetId, me.rootNode)
@@ -65,9 +105,6 @@ func Action(a *toolkit.Action) {
 	case toolkit.Add:
 		w = setupWidget(a)
 		w.setStartWH()
-		// w.moveTo(w.startW, w.startH)
-		w.drawView()
-		// findPlace(w)
 	case toolkit.Show:
 		if (a.B) {
 			w.drawView()
diff --git a/toolkit/gocui/structs.go b/toolkit/gocui/structs.go
index 3b10296..62a481f 100644
--- a/toolkit/gocui/structs.go
+++ b/toolkit/gocui/structs.go
@@ -107,7 +107,7 @@ type cuiWidget struct {
 	realHeight int
 
 	gocuiSize rectType  // the display size of this widget
-	logicalSize rectType  // the logical size. Includes all the child widgets
+	// logicalSize rectType  // the logical size. Includes all the child widgets
 
 	// used to track the size of grids
 	widths map[int]int // how tall each row in the grid is
diff --git a/toolkit/gocui/tab.go b/toolkit/gocui/tab.go
index 088577b..d2e604c 100644
--- a/toolkit/gocui/tab.go
+++ b/toolkit/gocui/tab.go
@@ -57,6 +57,9 @@ func (w *cuiWidget) setTabWH() {
 	w.gocuiSize.startW = me.rootNode.startW
 	w.gocuiSize.startH = me.rootNode.startH
 
+	w.startW = w.gocuiSize.startW + 2
+	w.startH = w.gocuiSize.startH + 3
+
 	for _, child := range me.rootNode.children {
 		if (child.isFake) {
 			continue
@@ -69,51 +72,17 @@ func (w *cuiWidget) setTabWH() {
 		w.gocuiSize.startW += child.realWidth
 	}
 
-	w.startW = me.rootNode.startW
-	w.startH = me.rootNode.startH + me.buttonPadding
-
 	w.setWH()
 	w.showWidgetPlacement(logNow, "setTabWH:")
 }
 
 func (w *cuiWidget) redoTabs(draw bool) {
-	if (w == nil) {
-		return
-	}
-	log(logVerbose, "redoTabs() START about to check for window and tab ", w.name)
-	w.text = w.name
-	t := len(w.text)
 	if ((w.widgetType == toolkit.Window) || (w.widgetType == toolkit.Tab)) {
-		log(logVerbose, "redoTabs() in Window and Tab", w.name)
-		w.realWidth = t + me.buttonPadding
-		w.realHeight = me.defaultHeight
-
-		w.gocuiSize.w0 = me.rootNode.logicalSize.w1
-		w.gocuiSize.w1 = w.gocuiSize.w0 + w.realWidth
-		w.gocuiSize.h0 = 0
-		w.gocuiSize.h1 = w.realHeight
-
-		// start logical sizes windows and in the top left corner
-		w.logicalSize.w0 = 2
-		w.logicalSize.w1 = 2
-		w.logicalSize.h0 = w.realHeight
-		w.logicalSize.h1 = w.realHeight
-
-		// start all windows and in the top left corner
-		w.nextW = w.logicalSize.w0
-		w.nextH = w.logicalSize.h0
-
-		me.rootNode.logicalSize.w1 = w.gocuiSize.w1
-		me.rootNode.logicalSize.h1 = w.gocuiSize.h1
-
 		w.deleteView()
 		w.drawView()
-		w.showWidgetPlacement(logNow, "redoTabs()")
 	}
 
-	log(logVerbose, "redoTabs() about to for loop children", w.name)
 	for _, child := range w.children {
-		log(logVerbose, "redoTabs() got to child", child.name)
 		child.redoTabs(draw)
 	}
 }